Posts by life is to short

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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I just got to thinking AlltimeJeff just did a thread on Gaslighting. This is exactly what you have been doing to me Landy. Trying to make me feel crazy, name calling, etc. Than when I call you out on it you throw it back at me trying to make me out to be the one attacking you. Making yourself the victim, being insulted because I called you uneducated and ignorant. I am not saying in life in general that you are ignorant or uneducated but when it comes to this topic of child molesters and you refuse even though it is right in front of you, all you have to do is type in the words yet you refuse and instead say you do not need to because as you put it, "not everyone has the same priorities and the safeguarding policies of a minor restorationist religion are of no concern to the vast majority of people."

But see it is to a lot of people, people like Trey Bundy and SNAP, NPR, PBS.

So even though right in front of you right now you can type in the words you have to wait until tomorrow. If that is not gaslighting me than what is.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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It's your btw? What in the world does that mean?

I would not have called you uneducated and ignorant in any other space but this. You came on defending and backing up RO, you started to insult me last week calling me mentally ill. Then when I bring up NPR and PBS, Trey Bundy and Reveal, than SNAP you come back acting like I am some nut case throwing around words that mean nothing just because you have not heard of them.

Now you get offended because I call you uneducated and ignorant. Look up what the words mean. Just because you have not heard of SNAP in your little part of the UK does not mean it is not a very active organization. It is huge in Ireland as it has exploded with cases of children being molested for years by priest.

Also just because you say you will ask ones at work means nothing because you clearly have a computer right in front of you all you have to do is google it and you will clearly see just how huge and massive SNAP and NPR and PBS and Trey Bundy with Reveal is. In fact right now you can listen to Tray's report from last month. I know for a fact it was huge in Seattle Washington and many people heard it.

But no you won't do that, only just slam me, and ask you experts at work tomorrow. Strange, maybe you are afraid I am right.

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Has anyone reached out to Mrs Remini by email .

by poopie in

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just curious .

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It still takes teeth to make it happen. I did contact my local new's station about the child molesters after I sent a letter to NBC, the producer at N|BC wanted it to go local first, I did go to the police. They all were interested, in fact I interviewed on the local news but I am a nobody. I do not have the name recognition Leah has. I am just one voice and no one else wanted to speak out.

For it to break like Leah has done would take someone with a name, and backing. I have also watched ones make fools of themselves because they do not do it right and like 6 screens it becomes a joke with Rick Feanor and Johnny the ex Bethelight.

I want no part in such things as Rick puts out. I want dignity and to not be a joke. At fist I thought any voice was better than no voice, but since I have learned if it is not done right you wind up looking like a fool and everyone thinks ex JW's are idiots.

Right now I do not see it happening because the JW's are so fragmented with some really having it together and others attacking them and wanting the spotlight.

I do not know what the answer is expect we need someone who has their act together like Leah.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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Landy I just do not get you, the fact that you have to look up Trey Bundy and that you have not heard of SNAP means that I am an idiot who has nothing better to do with my time or as you put it here.

"proves my point. I've also never heard of SNAP. You obviously have, but not everyone has the same priorities and the safeguarding policies of a minor restorationist religion are of no concern to the vast majority of people."

That what? That my priorities are skewed? Seriously? If it were not for SNAP you would not be talking about the Catholic Church or the boy scouts having a problem in their religion. You would be slamming some victim of a priest you like you have been slamming and belittling and calling me mentally ill.

The fact that you do not know about SNAP and Trey Bundy and NPR and PBS yet you come on here with all of your opions and tell everyone that it is a losing cause and an uphill battle yet you refuse to look at evidence right in front of you becasue as you just put it "The fact I have to kinda proves my point." and that it is as you also so eloquently put it "the safeguarding policies of a minor restorationist religion are of no concern to the vast majority of people."

See this is the problem, the vast majority of people do not care that children are being raped. The vast majority of Catholics did not care or what to see what was happening in their religion either. As long as it was not their kid or grandkid, as long as it did not affect their little bubble of their world who cares about the rest. But the fact is it does affect everyone whether you like it or not.

Tallon put it so well in the post above yours "Edmund Burke, once said;

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (and woman) to do nothing.'

Also Albert Einstein said "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it."

Yeah Landy you come on here defending RO and saying what he says and does is spot on that it is an uphill battle, an impossible thing to accomplish that "the general public simply don't give a shit about a nothing religion."

Yet you totally refuse to look up the facts. Just because you have not heard of SNAP means NOTHING, It just so how uneducated and ignorant you are and the fact that you refuse to even look it up says volumes about what you have posted and your slamming, belittling and insulting me.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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Well you should look up Trey Bundy. And it's funny you just said about it never going to be page 1 in a sustained way is what those who started (SNAP) Survivors Network of those abused by Priests were told that they did not have a chance in Hades of every bringing any change to the Catholic Church. If those abused people had listened to ones like you and accepted a fatalistic view we would not have had such movies as Spotlight and Doubt driving home the point that us victims will never stop.

SNAP is now a very large grassroots movement in many country's not just the US and even though it has been painfully slow it has had huge impacts on the Church. Not enough in my opinion but still something is better than not doing anything and saying oh well it's a losing battle why bother.

Also ones like Trey Bundy are not going to stop. I am so thankful for him. I do not mean to be rude or upset but I have seen to many people not just in the JW faith who have been abused and have turned to drug's, alcohol and suicide because everyone told them it was just a up hill battle that there was no hope that anything would ever change. I know of one beautiful young JW women who killed herself because no one would stop her abuser from abusing others.

I think of her and all of those who are broken and hurt and if my voice is the only voice then so be it but I will never stop speaking out and thankfully I know I am not the only voice as I see ones like OrphanCrow, JWdaughter, Flipper, Vidiot and so many, many others who are standing up against ones like RO who is down playing this trying to discourage ones. I just will never stop.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

life is to short

Landy and RO

I think I need to apologize to you along with many others on this board. We thought this was a discussion board where we could state what we feel and some of us are very passionate about the child molesters in the JW faith. Some of us may state our hopes and wishes that it would stop, that JW children and even those who are cold called on in the field service might have a chance of not being called on by JW peodphilies. And if they do get raped that at sometime in their lives they might have a hope of getting justice.

Like Landy you just slammed JWdaughter for sharing her view's.

I have to realize that I am stupid what did you call me a "crazy nut case" or was it that you said I was "insane" I cannot find all the threads that you have attacked me on.

Take this thread an honest question was asked and you and RO have proceeded to derail it, train wreck it, to where it has nothing to do with the topic but just for you 2 to spout off all of your vast knowledge.

It's good to know that this is truly not a discussion board but a Landy and RO board where if we do not agree with you and your views you will slam and destroy what the thread is about until it is unrecognizable if anyone dares to disagree with you.

You are right, Landy is right. But the only thing that you cannot stop is that the ad's have been placed and even though you are 100% right where you said "To everyone that isn't a witness or ex-witness they're a bunch of slighty odd but generally nice people who disturb them on a Sunday morning."

The few the very, very, very, few who take any notice at all of the JW's at all and who what did you just say 'call on them on "Sunday mornings?" I know I am wrong on this point too so please forgive me for being such a idiot but where I live it is Saturday mornings that everyone went out. I know, I know, I know it is Sunday where you are and I am just being contrary just to get back at you for some insane reason that you and RO think.

But for those very, very, very, few as you have so eloquently, and clearly, and concisely explained to all of us who do not have the vast knowledge that you and RO have these ad's will stick in the minds of those that see them, it will be in their minds the next time a JW calls on them where you live on a Sunday morning where I live on a Saturday morning but on some morning that a JW calls on them and all the elders who have allowed the child molester free run of the hall's to go out in service these elders will always be looking over their shoulders wondering when they might be called out on it.

What makes me wonder since you are so right, that this is just a silly little "insignificant" religion, that as you also so elegantly put it here "Humanity doesn't give be a shit about the JWs" that no one notices and thinks of them as very harmless, why all these law firms would go to such trouble and spend so much money and time on just a what did you call it "a little fishing exposition to see what it might throw up"

From now on I will try to filter what I say so as to not offend you and your buddy RO.

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Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

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I really hate ones like RO and when they spout off stupid things like he did on this thread, he really does not have a clue what he is talking about.

I am torn between feeling sorry for them and thinking that they got what the deserved. My husband and I lived on nothing and served where the need was great and where there was also no work, it was hell. We barley had enough to pay the gas it took to drive around aimlessly so the angles could watch and approve that we were at least trying to do what Jehovah demanded of us, I always knew it was crazy and so I worked, two to three jobs. I was super depressed and could not understand why I was so depressed that I honestly thought of suicide.

Then we got called to Bethel, where we took a vow of poverty. Even with that, it was better then where we came from, we did what that first couple did expect we did not have anything to sell, also I am driven to support myself, I refused to take anything from the government. When we left Bethel I worked again 2 to 3 jobs at a time to make it.

Was it easy no way, did we get any help from anyone NO! We had no family, no one in the hall to help us, we did it all on our own. What I am bitter about is one of my jobs would have paid for me to go to collage to get my AA but one of the old sister's in the hall threw such a loud livid fit that I would even dare to think of such a horrible thing as to go back to school that my husband who was an elder told me to just stop.

Also I wanted to open Roth IRA's instead of traditional and again since we were using a elder who was a CPA to do our taxes he threw a fit and asked where my faith that the system was ending was. What good was a Roth IRA since I would never grow old.

As far as RO's commits that all "bethelietes have known for the last gosh 12 years that bethel is no longer the place you grow old and die at. There are some older ones that are taken care of but this is no longer a permanent assignment, you have to prepare yourself to leave at any point. Many take advantage of the skills they learn at Bethel either in construction or something else."

We left in 95, when we were there we were flat out told that if you were accepted that it was for life, period. As far as learning some great skill that you can use outside like RO said very, very, very, very, few learned anything that could be used on the outside. It just burns me up to hear ones like RO who know doubt lives in his parents basement spout off such nonsense.

When we left we asked for a letter saying that we had been at Bethel so we could at least explain our years of not working to any new prospective employer. Bethel did not want to even give us that. We had to beg and all we got was a letter saying we had served from 1990 to 1995, nothing about the kind of work we did or anything just extremely, extremely generic. I was ~~lucky~~, fortunate that the first job applied at thought that JW's were nice people and was impressed that I believed so strongly in my faith that I would go so far as to take a vow of poverty to work for them, my husband was able to call his overseer at Bethel and he gave my husband a good recommendation. My husband's overseer was not supposed to have done that and could have gotten in trouble with Bethel for it but he knew how hard it was to get started over again.

Contrary to what RO said I knew of very few couples who left and were able to use any of the Bethel skills on the outside.

Also I was never on an assembly, or interviewed even at our hall about any of the things I did or went through. It seemed like most of the ones in hall hated us and were upset that we went at all, like the sister who was so ticked at my taking college classes, or the elder who did our taxes, both of these people worked great jobs and saved for their retirement but when it came to me doing the same they had huge opinions about what I should do.

We in fact after we left and my husband was still an elder we had ones in our hall dumped on us to help. I will never forget we had been out of Bethel less than a year and were really struggling. The brother who was the speaker brought all of his 5 kids and they brought friends with them also, so there about 10 in their family. We did this feeding the speaker through the book study. When it was husband's turn I always did a crock pot and had the speaker and all the book study over, I could feed a lot of people for about $25.00 and no one ever offered to bring anything it was just assumed that we would feed everyone. Well it was not our turn but the elder who's turn it was took off and made no plans for this family so a MS's wife took it on herself to invite this speaker and all of his family to a restaurant that was about $10.00 a person and then came up to me as we were leaving my not knowing anything about any of this and told me that since my husband was the only elder left in the hall we were taking speaker out and feeding his whole family and they had already left to go to the restaurant. We had no money. I had a charge card. We put it on it on the card, well over $100.00. I was sick not knowing how I was going to pay for it.

Things like that happened to me all the time. All the time I spent in the full time service only once did someone fill up our car with gas, we never got invited out to eat, we never got anything period expect to be dumped on. So as far as glory I never saw it. I am so glad that many think that is the only reason anyone does this is for the praise and to be looked up to. I did it because I honestly thought it was the truth. I guess I was just stupid like Landy on this board call's me.

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So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?

by nicolaou in

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i had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.

in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.

i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..

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TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".

by Dunedain in

ok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.

if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.

however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.

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Also as far as allowing the parents to go to the police if they wish to do so, why the word wish? Why not demand that the police get involved first before anyone else, especially before uneducated elder's who know have not been trained speak to the child and traumatize the child further.

I was never told not to go to the police over child abuse but when my husband was an elder we had a mentally ill person threaten to kill us, I wanted to go to the police but we were forbidden to by the brothers at Bethel so as to not bring reproach on Jehovah's name. This man made my life a living hell for two years, stalking me and threatening to kill me and I had no power to do anything to stop it. So though I do not know if parents are allowed to go to the police here in the USA I do know we were not allowed to go over a stalker.

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TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".

by Dunedain in

ok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.

if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.

however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.

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Phoebe it might be in the UK and Ireland but it is not in the USA, I just spoke to the CO in July and he was adamant that no one knows and I was not tell anyone. No child molester that I know of is being followed anywhere in any hall or convention, if they were I would not be posting right now, they are allowed to got out in service and the ones that are assigned to work with them do not know they are child molesters, all they have to be is a mature adult. How is that safe for the public? The CoB would send the one child molester out with 18 year old's who knew nothing of his past or with his wife sometimes. She married him with a 7 year old child knowing he had served 10 years in prison for raping his own bio 5 year old child, How would either of these mature adult's protect a householder's child?

Flipper told me that his brother told him, parents were warned, but in reality they were not, they say what they can to calm people down but they do not do 2 adults on one child and do not follow any child molester that I have ever seen.

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